Comments on: Luca Passani is wrong in my opinion – discrimination isn’t good for business http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/ Enabling a Reliable, Consistent and Trusted Experience Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:37:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Gareth O' Neill http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-1241477 Gareth O' Neill Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:36:46 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-1241477 It is hard to be able to provide the same things for people with disabilities but where possible we should try our best. Google Voice would be one thing that could help but Apple ended up rejecting it. There are virtual voices which help on some sites. If they were used on important information sites that could help It is hard to be able to provide the same things for people with disabilities but where possible we should try our best. Google Voice would be one thing that could help but Apple ended up rejecting it. There are virtual voices which help on some sites. If they were used on important information sites that could help

]]> By: Jervis http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-1004738 Jervis Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:16:48 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-1004738 Eskimos not understanding our language? All the Eskimos in Alaska are Americans, and all the Eskimos in Canada are Canadian. So they probably understand us just fine. Reminds me of when I was in college (in the US, for those keeping track), and someone asked the guy who was from Hawaii, "What currency do you use over there?" He said, "Seashells." With an implied "Duh." Eskimos not understanding our language? All the Eskimos in Alaska are Americans, and all the Eskimos in Canada are Canadian. So they probably understand us just fine.

Reminds me of when I was in college (in the US, for those keeping track), and someone asked the guy who was from Hawaii, “What currency do you use over there?” He said, “Seashells.” With an implied “Duh.”

]]> By: Web Accessibility is not the CJB http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-771038 Web Accessibility is not the CJB Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:39:02 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-771038 [...] spent last night joining in discussion on the segala blog, reference web accessibility. I was suprised at the level of resistance, and indeed the emotional arguments put forward against [...] [...] spent last night joining in discussion on the segala blog, reference web accessibility. I was suprised at the level of resistance, and indeed the emotional arguments put forward against [...]

]]> By: See this…? This is my BOOMSTICK! » Blog Archive » Web accessibility and mobiles http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-60958 See this…? This is my BOOMSTICK! » Blog Archive » Web accessibility and mobiles Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:58:57 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-60958 [...] Another batch of ideas from a post by Paul Walsh on Segala’s blog. This time in response to his opinion over Luca Passaini’s comments regarding disabled users and the web. Sean Owen On one end, you can build a customized fully-accessible web site separate from your main site. Expensive and not very one-web is it. On the other end you can try to author your site correctly so that, for example, users can enlarge the font while not destroying the site’s layout. You can use meaningful structural markup to aid transcoders and screen readers. I think the latter is the most realistic, lowest-cost, fastest way to make the web accessible. I think Luca agrees. Rather than berate site owners for not building an accessible site, turn them on to the benefits of proper web authoring. Indeed, the solution will be in good tools on the user’s end. I think we need to first focus on user-side tools, while simultaneously reasonably exhorting sites to be friendly to these tools. Presto: no disabling of the web. [...] [...] Another batch of ideas from a post by Paul Walsh on Segala’s blog. This time in response to his opinion over Luca Passaini’s comments regarding disabled users and the web. Sean Owen On one end, you can build a customized fully-accessible web site separate from your main site. Expensive and not very one-web is it. On the other end you can try to author your site correctly so that, for example, users can enlarge the font while not destroying the site’s layout. You can use meaningful structural markup to aid transcoders and screen readers. I think the latter is the most realistic, lowest-cost, fastest way to make the web accessible. I think Luca agrees. Rather than berate site owners for not building an accessible site, turn them on to the benefits of proper web authoring. Indeed, the solution will be in good tools on the user’s end. I think we need to first focus on user-side tools, while simultaneously reasonably exhorting sites to be friendly to these tools. Presto: no disabling of the web. [...]

]]> By: BIMA Blog » O2 taking a bite out of the forbidden fruit? http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-54673 BIMA Blog » O2 taking a bite out of the forbidden fruit? Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:06:35 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-54673 [...] The last time I wrote about the Mobile Web vs the Mobile Internet (cough; premium WAP stuff) I received a stunning word count of more than 17,000 words in comments alone. That’s a small book. To add to this, they were from very qualified people I trust at organisations such as Google, MobileAware, .mobi, WURFL and Opera. As a founding member of the W3C Mobile Web Initiative Steering Council, this is a subject close to my heart. It’s an area which attracts a lot of much needed debate too, which I quite like. [...] [...] The last time I wrote about the Mobile Web vs the Mobile Internet (cough; premium WAP stuff) I received a stunning word count of more than 17,000 words in comments alone. That’s a small book. To add to this, they were from very qualified people I trust at organisations such as Google, MobileAware, .mobi, WURFL and Opera. As a founding member of the W3C Mobile Web Initiative Steering Council, this is a subject close to my heart. It’s an area which attracts a lot of much needed debate too, which I quite like. [...]

]]> By: And the winner of our viral game is… http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-1042 And the winner of our viral game is… Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:35:56 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-1042 [...] The idea was to see which blog post could attract the highest word count from commentators. It was in fact one of my previous posts about mobile web that inspired me to start the game. The post has amassed more than 17,000 in word count in comments. [...] [...] The idea was to see which blog post could attract the highest word count from commentators. It was in fact one of my previous posts about mobile web that inspired me to start the game. The post has amassed more than 17,000 in word count in comments. [...]

]]> By: Paul Walsh http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-500 Paul Walsh Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:17:23 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-500 :) you're turning into me :) you’re turning into me

]]> By: Sean Owen http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-498 Sean Owen Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:50:37 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-498 Oh man sorry, I read that too fast and swore it was to me for some reason. Oh man sorry, I read that too fast and swore it was to me for some reason.

]]> By: Paul Walsh http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-475 Paul Walsh Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:43:57 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-475 Sean - take another look at my comment, it's addressed to Sam :) I've never thought you waffled, quite the opposite. Sean – take another look at my comment, it’s addressed to Sam :)

I’ve never thought you waffled, quite the opposite.

]]> By: Sean Owen http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/comment-page-2/#comment-464 Sean Owen Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:40:15 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/luca-passani-is-wrong-in-my-opinion-discrimination-isnt-good-for-business/#comment-464 Waffling? Dunno, I think my view is pretty consistent here. Do you mean off-topic? You're posting about WAP when you started another thread on that topic, is that the issue? Well to further confuse the issue: I agree with you. WAP is here for now. WAP is totally fine. In fact I think it's already evolved about as far as is meaningful as a mechanism for delivering content to limited devices like phones. My argument if anything is this is never really going to be "the future of the web." A device small enough to be a phone just can't have the input methods or screen real estate to make it anything like a desktop computer's experience. I do think people will access the web on the go, but, through devices that are essentially low-end PCs rather than high-end phones. In my primitive home continent of North America, WAP is still barely catching on, for a variety of reasons. Some people view this as an ironic effect of the fact that land-line phone networks caught on more quickly here than in Europe, and later, Europe merely went straight to more advanced stuff like mobile phones. My view is that in North America, mobile browsing is going to leap straight to access from more capable devices like big, bad PDAs and things like the Nokia Communicator or iPhone. But... that's a ways away. WAP is still here and quite a legitimate source of focus and discussion. Waffling? Dunno, I think my view is pretty consistent here. Do you mean off-topic? You’re posting about WAP when you started another thread on that topic, is that the issue?

Well to further confuse the issue: I agree with you. WAP is here for now. WAP is totally fine. In fact I think it’s already evolved about as far as is meaningful as a mechanism for delivering content to limited devices like phones.

My argument if anything is this is never really going to be “the future of the web.” A device small enough to be a phone just can’t have the input methods or screen real estate to make it anything like a desktop computer’s experience. I do think people will access the web on the go, but, through devices that are essentially low-end PCs rather than high-end phones.

In my primitive home continent of North America, WAP is still barely catching on, for a variety of reasons. Some people view this as an ironic effect of the fact that land-line phone networks caught on more quickly here than in Europe, and later, Europe merely went straight to more advanced stuff like mobile phones.

My view is that in North America, mobile browsing is going to leap straight to access from more capable devices like big, bad PDAs and things like the Nokia Communicator or iPhone.

But… that’s a ways away. WAP is still here and quite a legitimate source of focus and discussion.

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