Comments on: The correct definition of Web 3.0 http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/ Enabling a Reliable, Consistent and Trusted Experience Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:29:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Paul Walsh http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-237203 Paul Walsh Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:07:33 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-237203 When I say Metadata, I don't just mean the creation of it. I mean the 'use' of it. There's a huge number of potential applications yet to be realised. For me it's about enabling a more meaningful and trustworthy Web by making Web sites and applications interoperable, irrespective of device, location... Regarding Mobile, it's just another device with many features that we should make better use of. I agree however, that the use of Jaiku etc. is going to revolutionise the business model that underpins the entire 'mobile' industry. I definitely don't want Google to take full control however. One company holding so much power is bad, no matter who it is. When I say Metadata, I don’t just mean the creation of it. I mean the ‘use’ of it. There’s a huge number of potential applications yet to be realised. For me it’s about enabling a more meaningful and trustworthy Web by making Web sites and applications interoperable, irrespective of device, location…

Regarding Mobile, it’s just another device with many features that we should make better use of. I agree however, that the use of Jaiku etc. is going to revolutionise the business model that underpins the entire ‘mobile’ industry. I definitely don’t want Google to take full control however. One company holding so much power is bad, no matter who it is.

]]> By: James Pearce http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-236199 James Pearce Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:36:58 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-236199 I like the idea of a service pack - why build 3.0 when most of the species hardly uses 2.0? I think you are on the right lines. But you're missing something. It's not ambitious enough. A bit of meta data? Hmm. We had a web of documents. Now we have a web of people. Next will be a web of things. Fair enough, as far as it goes. The problem with the web of people (a.k.a. web 2.0) is that it might know who their (on-line) friends are, but it doesn't really know much about them as run-time humans: their moods, their state of mind, their environment, and barely even their presence. So dare I suggest you've missed mobile? Mobility is the dark horse (oft mistaken for a stunted pony) that could tie together many of those missing elements, together with the semantic layer, to create would could be a true Web of Context. (which is why Google + Jaiku + GMM + StreetView + Android + ... may be the best glimpse of how the next web platform could shape up) I like the idea of a service pack - why build 3.0 when most of the species hardly uses 2.0?

I think you are on the right lines. But you’re missing something. It’s not ambitious enough. A bit of meta data? Hmm.

We had a web of documents. Now we have a web of people. Next will be a web of things.

Fair enough, as far as it goes.

The problem with the web of people (a.k.a. web 2.0) is that it might know who their (on-line) friends are, but it doesn’t really know much about them as run-time humans: their moods, their state of mind, their environment, and barely even their presence.

So dare I suggest you’ve missed mobile? Mobility is the dark horse (oft mistaken for a stunted pony) that could tie together many of those missing elements, together with the semantic layer, to create would could be a true Web of Context.

(which is why Google + Jaiku + GMM + StreetView + Android + … may be the best glimpse of how the next web platform could shape up)

]]> By: Steve Flinn http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-233637 Steve Flinn Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:16:53 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-233637 With respect to Web 3.0, I suspect like another fuzzy categorization cited by a supreme court justice, "you'll know it when you see it." But from our perspective at ManyWorlds, we suspect that the essence will be advanced content and taxonomy management that is completely integrated with social networking, and with built-in learning capabilities that automatically deliver intelligent and personlized suggestions throughout all phases of the system. There is much more to be done, but we have just such a demonstration system up and running at www.manyworlds.com (currently focused primarily on large company business strategy, but extensible to any domain). With respect to Web 3.0, I suspect like another fuzzy categorization cited by a supreme court justice, “you’ll know it when you see it.”

But from our perspective at ManyWorlds, we suspect that the essence will be advanced content and taxonomy management that is completely integrated with social networking, and with built-in learning capabilities that automatically deliver intelligent and personlized suggestions throughout all phases of the system.

There is much more to be done, but we have just such a demonstration system up and running at http://www.manyworlds.com (currently focused primarily on large company business strategy, but extensible to any domain).

]]> By: Gavin O'Carroll http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-233280 Gavin O'Carroll Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:02:07 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-233280 It feels to me that the semantic web is still Web 2.0. I have the feeling that Web 1.0 Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 mirrors the economy in terms of a functional economy (buying a sack of coffee beans in a sack from a market stall), the service economy (someone making it for you in a shop) and the experience economy (the flavour, cups, newpapers laid out and decor of a nice cafe). It will be experience driven. This post points is feeling it: http://www.stoweboyd.com/message/2007/10/jason-calacanis.html "Personally, I feel the vague lineaments of something beyond Web 2.0, and they involve some fairly radical steps. Imagine a Web without browsers. Imagine breaking completely away from the document metaphor, or a true blurring of application and information. That's what Web 3.0 will be, but I bet we will call it something else." Just my 2 cents. It feels to me that the semantic web is still Web 2.0. I have the feeling that Web 1.0 Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 mirrors the economy in terms of a functional economy (buying a sack of coffee beans in a sack from a market stall), the service economy (someone making it for you in a shop) and the experience economy (the flavour, cups, newpapers laid out and decor of a nice cafe).

It will be experience driven. This post points is feeling it:

http://www.stoweboyd.com/message/2007/10/jason-calacanis.html

“Personally, I feel the vague lineaments of something beyond Web 2.0, and they involve some fairly radical steps. Imagine a Web without browsers. Imagine breaking completely away from the document metaphor, or a true blurring of application and information. That’s what Web 3.0 will be, but I bet we will call it something else.”

Just my 2 cents.

]]> By: Paul Walsh http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-233248 Paul Walsh Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:37:25 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-233248 Thanks for the clarification Jeremiah. I didn't like those terms either and when I questioned why people were referring to O'Reilly for the definition of Web 2.0 as he merely provided analogies, he kindly redefined and referenced my question. That said, don't you think the versioning, however silly, provides us with a benchmark with which to refer to specific capabilities, whether technology or marketing driven? Thanks for the clarification Jeremiah. I didn’t like those terms either and when I questioned why people were referring to O’Reilly for the definition of Web 2.0 as he merely provided analogies, he kindly redefined and referenced my question.

That said, don’t you think the versioning, however silly, provides us with a benchmark with which to refer to specific capabilities, whether technology or marketing driven?

]]> By: Jeremiah Owyang http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-232648 Jeremiah Owyang Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:34:34 +0000 http://segala.com/blog/the-definition-of-web-30/#comment-232648 Just so you know, I don't love the term web 2.0 or web 3.0 nor do I support Jason's definition. I was just making a comparison of what Google was announcing and what he had also said previously. Just so you know, I don’t love the term web 2.0 or web 3.0 nor do I support Jason’s definition.

I was just making a comparison of what Google was announcing and what he had also said previously.

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